Motional Intelligence
Calum Goddard sits down every Thursday with incredible athletes, content creators, and people who’ve pushed themselves to the limit.
Episodes
50. Anna Archer Took A Risk At 20 That Changed Her Life Forever...
In this episode, I sit down with Anna Archer - fitness creator, founder of On The Run Club, and one of the earliest names in the online running boom - to talk about her incredible journey from an 18-year-old posting from her bedroom in lockdown to being signed by Gymshark in just 6 weeks.We get into the moment she found out Runna (the running app she personally invested in at 20 years old) sold to
BONUS EP: We Got MARRIED! The Full Wedding Debrief — and Why Cal Took Issy’s Surname
We just got married in Lisbon, Portugal - and this is a bonus episode, recorded a few days later while we were still processing it all. We walk through the whole wedding weekend chronologically: the welcome party, wedding morning nerves, the ceremony, our vows, the speeches, the first dance, and the Sunday beach day after. A laid-back, honest look back at the best weekend of our lives.00:00 Intro
49. How To Change Your Life & Become a SUB ELITE Runner... *HUGE WEIGHTLOSS*🤯
Sam Griffiths (GlobeRunnerGriff) went from 125kg competitive Call of Duty gamer to a 2:22 marathoner — and honestly, his story is one of the wildest transformations we've had on the pod. We get into the Warzone grind, the one-way flight to Nepal that changed everything, why he's never touched alcohol or coffee, his (very) heavy race calendar, heart-rate based training, the London vs Copenh
48. Holly Archer on Why Hyrox Needs FIXING & Future of Content Creator ATHLETES
Holly Archer — European Silver Medalist and one of the most exciting voices in endurance sport — joins the podcast for an honest conversation about what it really takes to compete at the highest level.Holly opens up about her unlikely origin story: getting a double detention at age 12 for "cheating" in a school cross country race — an accusation lighting a fire that never went out.From a
47. "I'm Getting Married" 🤯 WEDDING PREVIEW with Hugo Fry!
Time for another monthly Fry Up. Hugo joins me for June's instalment to discuss my upcoming wedding in Portugal, his new Triathlon journey, dream 3 course menu & why people need to change their outlook on relationships a bit in the social media age.Calum: https://www.instagram.com/calumgoddard/Hugo: https://www.instagram.com/hugo.fry/?hl=en-gbWatch on YouTube:
46. This 100km Race Sent Her to Hospital... How Running Became a RISK
Is the fitness world over-optimising itself into the ground? This week I'm joined by runfluencer Jenny Mannion to unpack the Stephen Bartlett wine controversy and what it says about obsessive health tracking in running and wider fitness culture. Plus — Jenny opens up about her 100km ultra DNF which led to her visiting A&E... Jenny also explains plans to build the next 'parkrun' but
45. Running Doctor Talks OZEMPIC Fears & WHY You're Getting Stress Fractures…
Meet Dr Mimi — a doctor, runner, and sports science specialist who’s become one of the most respected voices in the running community. She is also RAPID, currently holding a 3:03 marathon PB 🤯 We discuss the rapid rise of Ozempic, what’s actually causing stress fractures — and how can you prevent them, what new runners need to watch out for and why is the recent Enhanced Games such a serious healt
44. George Rickwood: The UK's Most Unhinged Runner...
Joined this week by one of the greatest enigmas in the UK running space... Mr George Rickwood. Earlier this year he caught the internet's attention by running an extra kilometre every single day for 66 days (this resulted in back to back 400km weeks...) as part of Gymshark's 66 in 66. An achievement he followed up with a backyard ultra victory in Brighton & a 2:48 marathon time. Generational a
43. Cal & Hugo’s Post London Marathon Holiday & Building a ‘Runfluencer’ Boxing Card…
Back with another 'Monthly Fry Up' - Hugo & I caught up in the Italian countryside whilst enjoying our trip with Runhaus. We debriefed on Hugo's experience in London, the lessons learnt from the block and we planned our future business model of 'runfluencer boxing events'...Check out Runhaus: https://runhaustours.com/(not an ad, happy to be brought on the trip!)Calum: https://www.i
42. BPN Last Woman Standing Coach Bryony: Running 155 Miles ONE YEAR ON from Car Accident...
Bryony Keys AKA Coach Bryony ran for 155 miles at the BPN 'Go One More' last month taking home the crown of LAST FEMALE STANDING! Over 38 hours of running in the Texas heat Bryony got herself into the top 10 finishers one year on from a life changing surgery... In 2024 Bryony was hit by a car and told she'll never run again, but one year on she takes home this crown & becomes an ir
41. What Happened at London Marathon & SUB 2 Hour Marathon Finally Broken... TWICE!
Joined on monday morning by my fiancé, Issy to debrief on what was a truly historic London Marathon. Really not the day I was expecting or visioned for myself but that is running, part of the journey! Got to get back after it and go again. Congrats to Issy for pulling out a massive 25 minute PB, an incredible day out there. We also saw the first TWO humans go SUB 2 hours in the same race... a trul
40. Cal & Hugo Running LONDON MARATHON, Joe Wicks’ TERRIBLE Advice & Why He Sacked off Boston...
IT'S RACE WEEK! Biggest event in the UK running calendar is here. Catch us at 2PM on the main stage at the London Marathon Expo. Really looking forward to this, thanks to New Balance for the opportunity. Good luck to everyone racing & supporting this weekend.Calum's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/calumgoddard/Hugo's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/
39. Alfie Manthorpe's London Marathon Prediction, 2028 Olympic Goals & Nike's SECRET Shoe Release...
Back with Alf ahead of his debut marathon in London on the 26th April. Not long to go now before the BIGGEST day of the UK running calendar. We discuss his first marathon block, predictions & goals for race day and the future of running shoes... Will Nike take over again this year? We also answer some of your big questions ahead of race day. Alfie Manthorpe: https://www.instagram.com/alfiemant
38. Completing ALL Majors, London Marathon Becoming TWO DAYS?! & Running Boston Without The Time?
This week I'm joined by Aubrey AKA 'Bigger Than Running'. Aubrey is a runner with the goal to inspire and bring something to the table that is far 'bigger than running'. Aubrey recently became the first Malawian to complete all the marathon majors but a long the way had to face set backs with hate, self-doubt and a feeling of not belonging. A true gent and pleasure to have on the podcast!Aubrey: h
37. Ben Is Running's PB at Berlin Half & Why You Shouldn't PANIC in Marathon Training!
Ben Felton is back after a VERY impressive shift at Berlin Half Marathon! Ben ran 64:50 taking him below 65:00, the target he's been grinding towards. He also talks about why he decided to drop out of Rotterdam Marathon to focus on the half, his tips for first time marathoners and why it's so important to trust your marathon training. Those running London Marathon will be in crunch time right now
36. Ken Rideout: "I Ran a 2:28 Marathon Age 50 After Years of Drug Addiction..."
EVERYTHING YOU WANT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HARD: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Everything-Want-Other-Side-Hard-ebook/dp/B0FN2TGZS5Joined this week by Ken Rideout, a man who has lived many lives but my word what a story. Ken took himself from the dark depths of addiction whilst working in wall street all the way to running a 2:28 marathon over the age of 50 at CIM. He recently released a book all about
35. Hugo Fry’s Biggest Change To Training, Bath Half Disappointment & ‘Inside The Manosphere'
Get your live podcast tickets here: https://tinyurl.com/IssyseventIt's March's Monthly #fryup. Hugo is back after his tough outing in Bath and here to discuss the real difference he's made to his training to level up across all distances. We also discussed the recent 'Inside the Manosphere' documentary & Hugo is paid a visit by a very important guest...Calum's Instagram: https://ww
34. Olympian Andy Butchart on Racing Sir Mo Farah, Olympic Village Secrets & RUINING Marathon Debut!
2x Olympian and British Champion Andy Butchart joins me to talk about life at the very top of distance & middle distance running. He is one of Britain's greatest runners competing at 2016 Rio Olympics & Tokyo 2020. Andy shares what it was really like racing against Mo Farah, competing on the world stage, and experiencing the Olympic Games from inside the Olympic Village. He also shares
33. Emily Fairs on Running’s BIG Fuelling Problem & the Danger of ‘ALMOND MUMS’
Emily Jane Fairs is a content creator & ultra runner with the aim to bring more women into a male dominated side of the sport. Emily shared her experiences with under-eating and the dangers around food based stigmas from the older generation.Emily: https://www.instagram.com/emilyjanefairs/?hl=enCalum's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/calumgoddard/Watch on YouTube:
32. Hercules Talks Ego in Ultra Running Challenges & Going SUB 2:50 in Seville (MARATHON PB!)
OG listeners will know I recorded a podcast episode with Herc almost a year ago on my old show, so it’s great to have him join me this week on Motional Intelligence. Herc talks about his Seville Marathon PB, his upcoming run across Greece, and why he’s entered MOAB 240.Beyond his content, Herc has also played a huge role in Cadence’s global growth, helping to push the brand forward and build it in
31. The Teacher Who Qualified as a London Marathon ELITE...
Truly one of the most incredible stories from the running space! Full-time teacher Charlie Sandison ran 2:15:38 at Valencia Marathon in 2025 and has qualified in the elite field for this year's London Marathon. Such a pleasure chatting with Charlie, he's pushing the limits whilst teaching primary education full time. He talks about routine, how he manages volume is such a busy role & w
30. Half Marathon PREDICTIONS with Hugo Fry & Why We Must End FAKE Motivation Content…
It's February's Monthly Fry Up and we're a few days out from Barcelona Half Marathon... the meeting with the big red man has been booked in and we're ready to step foot in his office. Hugo & I also address this recent 'fake' motivational content we see frequently on Instagram and drop some quite frankly shocking takes when discussing 'facts we refuse to believe'. Some prime Barclays podcasting
29. Nick Bester Talks Traditional Coaching vs Training APPS & Influencer Running Injuries!
Boom shakalaka! Shorter episode this week, Nick had to get his train 🤣 Great to chat with Nick, he coached me for my first ever marathon back in 2024 so this is a real full circle moment! We talk the Nick Bester origin story, building Best Athletics and the topical latest news in the running influencer world. Follow Nick: https://www.instagram.com/justalilbester/?hl=enWatch on YouTube:
28. Jonny Davies on why Social Media Can RUIN Ambition & BPN Ultra 2026 Predictions...
Joined again by Jonny Davies, guest number 1 for Motional Intelligence back in June, the man that started it all! Since then he's be grafting away, most recently faced adversity at the BPN 50 miler but he's back on home soil with his usual wisdom. What a bloke.Jonny: https://www.instagram.com/jonnyrdavies/?hl=enWatch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0nNkuS_WWmK0tRPwbfoXLQ
27. Hugo Fry’s RAPID Valencia 10k & the Podcast Takes Over London Billboard!
No more blue january, monday or whatever you want to call it... It's time for the #MonthlyFryUp. Hugo returns after going clear in the runfluencer game after Valencia 10km & the pod features on london's biggest billboard... mad.Calum's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/calumgoddard/Hugo's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hugo.fry/?hl=enWatch on YouTube:
26. JennyFit & Celina on Success as a SLOW RUNNER & Building the Perfect Marathon Mindset
Joined this week by running creators Jennyfit & Celina Stephenson to talk all about content life, thriving as a 'slow runner' and how to plan your first marathon! Jenny & Celina also both own successful run clubs, adding to option of inclusive run clubs available for newer runners. Follow Jenny: https://www.instagram.com/jennyyyy_fit/Follow Celina: https://www.instagram.com/celinas
25. Gabriel Smith talks New Year MARATHON goals & Why OVERTRAINING can ruin a race...
Happy New Year everyone! The first podcast of 2026 and whether you're about to start training for your first ever marathon, setting yourself a new goal or just wanting to move a bit more this year there's in this episode with Gabriel for you.We discuss his year of racing goals for the year ahead, why he DNFd at London Marathon & the harsh reality of dealing with REDS. Gabriel: https://
24. CHRISTMAS SPECIAL: Hugo Fry Talks 2:17 PB at California International Marathon & Our Secret Santa Goes Wrong...
Hugo returns for the monthly #FryUp, this time for the Christmas Special. It's Christmas Eve so we share our Christmas traditions, reflect on our year just gone & chat about Hugo's big PB in america... 2:17Hugo's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hugo.fry/?hl=en Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0nNkuS_WWmK0tRPwbfoXLQFollow on TikTok: https://
23. RAN TO JAPAN: "I train more than ELITES so I can QUALIFY for the Olympics"
The carthorse himself! Ran To Japan aka Jake Barraclough joins me post Valencia Marathon for a quality chat. A true badger of the running game, you won't ever see the likes again. Jake talks 280km weeks, breaking a world record & why he trains so much and at what cost?RanToJapan: https://www.youtube.com/@RanToJapan/videosWatch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0nNkuS_WWmK0tRPw
22. Milepie Complete 640km IRONMAN & Are We Desensitised to the Marathon?!
Follow Milepie: https://www.instagram.com/_milepie?igsh=MTBsajQ1dTd6enlhMg==The brothers behind the "Mile Pie" content and activewear brand, Joe and Alfie! They dive deep into the world of extreme endurance, covering everything from the chaos of their "Christmas Mile" food challenge to the logistics and mental battles of Alfie's recent Triple Ironman (an incredible 11.4K swim, 504K cycle, and 126K
21. Anya Culling: Untold Sacrifice of Becoming an ELITE Runner & Swapping Valencia Marathon for FULL Ironman…
Almost a year after our first podcast together Anya Culling joins me again for another top tier chat. The other week Anya announced she’d pulled out of Valencia Marathon to focus her attention on both Tokyo Marathon and a FULL ironman in 2026. Anya Culling: https://www.instagram.com/a.culling/?hl=enWatch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0nNkuS_WWmK0tRPwbfoXLQFollow on TikTok:
20. Becoming a ‘Hybrid’ Athlete, Running Advent Calendar Challenge RETURNS & Nike ‘After Dark’ Controversy…
Jokes aside we’re very excited so big thanks to puma for giving us the opportunity. Very excited to give it a good whack next week with Wilf.SEND IN YOUR STORIES: motionalintelligencepod@gmail.comWilfPlaysSport: https://www.instagram.com/wilf_plays_sport/Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0nNkuS_WWmK0tRPwbfoXLQFollow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@motionalintelligencepod
19. Cadence Founder Ross Mackay on Building an Endurance MEGA Brand & Secrets to Healthy CEO Life.
Ross Mackay is the founder of hydration brand Cadence. They are now one of the biggest players in the sports hydration space, targeting goal orientated individuals like you and I. Ross set out on his mission with Represent's George Heaton & since then they've been building something big. Pleasure chatting to Ross, as he spoke all about the journey with brand, securing investment from S
18. Hugo Fry WINS the BPN 50 Mile Ultra, New York Marathon's Bizarre Start Line & Surprising Hugo with Special Gift...
Back with your monthly #FryUp and the boy has gone and won BPN's 50 mile 'Survive the Night'... WITH EASE! I return from running New York Marathon and surprise Hugo with a very special gift ahead of his next race...Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0nNkuS_WWmK0tRPwbfoXLQFollow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@motionalintelligencepodFollow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com
17: RunWithLiss on the Perfect Way to Approach a Marathon & How to Navigate a Life Reset. EP.17
This week I'm joined by friend & running content creator Liss. After running Paris & Chicago Marathon this year, Liss discusses her journey as a content creator & attitude towards marathon races.Run with Liss: https://www.instagram.com/runwithliss/?hl=enWatch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0nNkuS_WWmK0tRPwbfoXLQFollow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@motionalintelligen
16: Alfie Manthorpe Drops 61 minute Half in Valencia & Reveals Debut FULL Marathon Plans...
One of my favourite elite runners is BACK. Alfie Manthorpe joins me the day after his unbelievable run at the Valencia half marathon finishing 1st Brit on the day! Lots has changed for Alf over the last 10 months so it was great to catch up. He also drops his first marathon time prediction...Alfie Manthorpe: https://www.instagram.com/alfiemanthorpe?igsh=MWRoOXphamN4eTlwOA==Watch on YouTube: https:
15: Ben Is Running on 2:23 PB in Chicago & How To Pull Off The Perfect MARATHON
Joined once again by Ben Felton AKA 'Ben Is Running' - we did a pod together earlier in the year ahead of London Marathon but it's great to finally sit down with him on Motional Intelligence to discuss his big PB at this year's Chicago Marathon! We also discuss the importance of new runner's building a base & what are the mount rushmore running races?Ben Is Running: https://www.youtube.com/c/B
14: Bonking HARD at Chicago Marathon, Winning a Desert Ultramarathon & Can I go SUB 3 Next Year?
Hugo returns for his monthly slot on the podcast and this week we're unpacking my performance at Chicago Marathon on Sunday... Not going to give you all the "not my race" nonsense but I learnt a lot! Also, Hugo went to the Desert and won an ultramarathon... absolute goat.Hugo Fry: https://www.instagram.com/hugo.fry/ Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3WGIXQz6Pa0V9WIa4gIxOV?si=e19d4ac
13: Harrison Davis on How QUITTING Premier League Football Saved His Life & Secret To Success in 1st Marathon...
Joined this week by Harrison Davis, a good friend of mine who I met back in 2024 at the start of both of our content journeys really. Harrison used to play premier league academy football with Southampton before hanging up his boots for the sake of his mental health. In the past few years he's been sharing content about mental health and his running journey (spoiler, this man is FAST). Harrison Da
12: James Warnock: How to Survive as a Content Creator & Why Navigating Grief will Change Your Life
James Warnock finally joins me on the pod (been a long time coming)! We chat about his journey with grief after losing his dad, how he plans on building his new business SAP & his experiences navigating this industry. James Warnock: https://www.instagram.com/jwarnockk/?hl=enListen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3WGIXQz6Pa0V9WIa4gIxOV?si=e19d4acb7b964eebFollow on TikTok: https://www.
11: Berlin Marathon Debrief, Harry Styles goes SUB 3 & Why is Issy running from London to Bournemouth?
Issy makes her first appearance since the rebrand to discuss all things Berlin Marathon & how she's about to take on an absolutely MASSIVE challenge for charity... running 170km to Bournemouth from London to say happy birthday to her grandad. DONATE HERE: https://www.justgiving.com/page/issysedgwick?utm_medium=FR&utm_source=CL Issy: https://www.instagram.com/issysedgwick/ Listen on Spotify
10: Winning the next BPN ultra, IRONMAN Swim Drama & Why 2:19 Marathoner DOES NOT Taper…
let me know what you think of this catch up style episode :)Hugo Fry: https://www.instagram.com/hugo.fry/Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3WGIXQz6Pa0V9WIa4gIxOV?si=e19d4acb7b964eebFollow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@motionalintelligencepodFollow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/motionalintelligencepodCalum's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/calumgoddard/Calum's Tik
9: ZERO TO IRONMAN! How Owen Pedz changed his life in 10 MONTHS!
This week I'm joined by a man who gripped us online this summer with his incredible story... In 10 months Owen went from zero to Ironman 70.3 finisher at this year's Swansea event! 'Pedz' turned his life around after realising he was tired of making bad choices. If this podcast doesn't motivate you then I don't know what will. What a bloke.Owen Pedz: https://www.instagram.com/owenpedz/ Listen on S
8: Marshall Exler (Big Papi) on How to get over Grief & Remembering Late wife Faye
Shop XMILES: https://xmiles.avln.me/c/NLjdNhlaDrlzMotional Intelligence BUNDLE: https://xmiles.co.uk/products/the-motional-intelligence-bundleCan't believe this was Marshall Exler's first podcast, absolute natural! He lost his beloved wife Faye back in December 2024 to Sarcoma. Marshall A.K.A Big Papi has been documenting his grief and living life to the full to remember Faye. He just completed a
7: Fergus Crawley - Is there a Male Loneliness Epidemic?? & Completing the World's HARDEST Ironman...
Shop XMILES: https://xmiles.avln.me/c/NLjdNhlaDrlzMotional Intelligence BUNDLE: https://xmiles.co.uk/products/the-motional-intelligence-bundleThis week I'm joined by ultra-athlete Fergus Crawley. Fergus talks openly about his battle after a suicide attempt & what needs to be done to end the male loneliness epidemic. Fergus also completed one of the hardest ironman formats of all time... absolu
6: Sam Cornforth on why fitness content has gone TOO FAR & the Darkside of going VIRAL...
Shop XMILES: https://xmiles.avln.me/c/NLjdNhlaDrlzMotional Intelligence BUNDLE: https://xmiles.co.uk/products/the-motional-intelligence-bundleCheck out Sam: https://www.instagram.com/samcforth/?hl=enListen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3WGIXQz6Pa0V9WIa4gIxOV?si=e19d4acb7b964eebFollow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@motionalintelligencepod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.
5: MY POST RACE REACTION! Completing FIRST Ironman 70.3!!
Shop XMILES: https://xmiles.avln.me/c/NLjdNhlaDrlzCheck out Jake: https://www.instagram.com/jakeebird/?hl=enListen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3WGIXQz6Pa0V9WIa4gIxOV?si=e19d4acb7b964eebFollow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@motionalintelligencepod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/motionalintelligencepodCalum's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/calumgoddard/Calum'
4: Mitch Hutch: Completing WORLD'S LONGEST TRIATHLON from English Channel to Mount Everest Summit...
Donate here: https://givestar.io/gs/limitlessFollow Mitch on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_mitchhutchWatch the series: https://www.youtube.com/@mitch_hutchWatch the pod: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0nNkuS_WWmK0tRPwbfoXLQFollow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@motionalintelligencepod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/motionalintelligencepodCalum's Instagram: https://www
3: Dan Jones on Quitting Job to become a PROFESSIONAL AMATEUR & Future of Fitness Content Creation!
Dan's Insta: https://www.instagram.com/daaaanjj/Dan's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ @Daaaanjj Watch: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0nNkuS_WWmK0tRPwbfoXLQFollow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@motionalintelligencepod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/motionalintelligencepodCalum's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/calumgoddard/Calum's TikTok:https://www.tiktok.com/@ca
2: Hugo Fry on 100 Mile Run Across USA, Tips for Training in Kenya & Dealing with Old Running Trolls!
This week I'm joined by content creator & 2:19 marathon runner Hugo Fry! Hugo has name a bit of a name for himself as of late on socials, with a fairly unfiltered view on the running world. This episode really has a mind of it's own... Would you use all your annual leave to train in Kenya? RICE & REPEATHugo Fry: https://www.instagram.com/hugo.fry/ Watch on YouTube:Follow on TikTok: https:/
1: Jonny Davies on BPN Last Man Standing & The Troubling Future of Hyrox…
Episode one is HERE! Absolute pleasure to be joined by Jonny Davies, ultra-runner and INSANE athlete who recently finished 10th at the BPN Last man Standing event in Texas. Jonny has an absolute trophy room of accolades; a brilliant speaker and all round top bloke. Follow Jonny: https://www.instagram.com/jonnyrdavies/ Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MotionalIntelligence Follow on TikTok
TRAILER: Motional Intelligence with Calum Goddard
We are so so back! New name & new era of the podcast, welcome to Motional Intelligence. Every Thursday, I’ll be sitting down and having conversations with incredible athletes, content creators, and people who’ve pushed themselves to the limit. Whether it be physically, mentally or emotionally, these are the raw and thoughtful conversations from voices you don’t usually hear.
I've been so pas
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