How Songs Make Money
How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams tied to songwriting and composition. It is hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds. Series 1 has nine episodes and is released weekly from September to December 2025. The show includes disclaimers that views are the speakers' own and nothing should be taken as business or legal advice.
Episodes
1.9 – Interview with Christopher Fox (new music composer; writer)
How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.
This week's episode offers an interview with Christopher Fox, a composer of new music, as well as a music scholar and writer. Christopher’s work has been performed and broadcast world-w
1.8 – Student episode: Rossella Pia Scotti on Taylor Swift's masters
How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.
This week's episode is produced by Rose Pia Scotti, a member of the 2024/25 cohort on our Music Management MA course. Rose’s episode tells the story of Taylor Swift’s masters dispute,
1.7 – Interview with Tony Orchudesch (founder, Torchlight Music)
How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.
This week's episode offers an interview with Tony Orchudesch, founder of Torchlight Music. Torchlight works with advertising agencies, broadcasters and producers to clear content for
1.6 - Student episode: William Gerrard on sampling, copyright, and society
How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.
This week's episode is produced by William Gerrard, a member of the 2024/25 cohort on our Music Management MA course. William’s episode explores the relationship between copyright law a
1.5 – Interview with Lily Blakeney-Edwards (Client Manager, Sentric)
How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.
This week's episode offers an interview with Lily Blakeney-Edwards. Lily is Client Manager at Sentric Music, a music publisher which represents over 400,000 artists across the world.
1.4 – Student episode: Yuejing Li on classical music copyright (with Xin Jia)
How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.
This week's episode is produced by Yuejing Li, a member of the 2024/25 cohort on our Music Management MA course. Yuejing uses Beethoven as a starting point for exploring the world of cl
1.3 – Interview with Toby Huelin (University of Leeds) and Júlia Durand (University of Lisbon)
How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.
This week's episode offers an interview with Toby Huelin (University of Leeds) and Júlia Durand (NOVA University of Lisbon), who have both individually and collaboratively published aca
1.2 – Student episode: El Kirkwood on sync licensing (with Danny West)
How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.
This week's episode is produced by El Kirkwood, a recent graduate of our Music Management MA course. El explores the world of sync licensing, reflecting on the economic value of sync de
1.1 – Interview with William Castile (International Music Rights Manager, Phoenix Music International)
How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.
This week's episode offers an interview with William Castile, who is currently International Music Rights Manager at Phoenix Music International. In our interview, Will helped me to und
1.0 – Trailer: Welcome to How Songs Make Money
How Songs Make Money is a podcast series about music rights and the income streams associated with songwriting and composition, hosted by Dr Ellis Jones, Lecturer in Music and Management at the University of Leeds.
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All views expressed on this podcast are those of the speakers, and do not necessarily represent the views of the Universi
