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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

Podmasters 237 Episodes Aug 6, 2026

This Is Not A Drill is a weekly podcast hosted by former BBC News presenter Gavin Esler, exploring threats to global stability from Ukraine to China to the Middle East. Alongside Ukraine-based war reporter Oz Katerji and independent conflict analyst Emma Beals, the show dives into dangers, corruption, conflicts, disinformation and ruthless realpolitik. The podcast is produced by Podmasters, the team behind Oh God, What Now?, Paper Cuts and The Bunker, and supported via Patreon for early access and bonus content.

Episodes

Xi outsmarts Trump – How America’s Iran failure is empowering China
Xi outsmarts Trump – How America’s Iran failure is empowering China Aug 6, 2026 1903 Donald Trump’s failing war on Iran has emboldened China. Beijing is trying to build relationships to counter Washington, as it looks to fill a vacuum in power globally left by the United States as it shifts its geopolitical strategy. Gavin Esler is joined by Ryan Hass, director of the John L. Thornton China Center at Brookings, to discuss how China is trying to capitalise on America’s failings.&nb
Reign of Tehran – Inside the new Iranian regime
Reign of Tehran – Inside the new Iranian regime Jul 30, 2026 1617 Just days into the Iran conflict, strikes had taken out much of the country’s military leadership. Yet the conflict continues with a new regime installed in Tehran. With the new Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei unseen since the outbreak of war, who is really in charge now? And as peace negotiations continue to stall, what drives Tehran’s decisions? Gavin Esler discusses the latest from Iran with P
Inside Zelenskyy’s military turmoil
Inside Zelenskyy’s military turmoil Jul 23, 2026 1633 A week of turmoil within Ukraine’s armed forces has seen protestors take to the streets and a chaotic series of changes at the very top of military command.  What comes next for the future of Ukraine's defence, after a week of damaging political upheaval? And what does it mean for Zelenskyy’s military strategy? Oz Katerji is joined by Jimmy Rushton, special correspondent at the Kyiv Indepen
Is the “True European Army” coming? – Macron, France and the future of European defence
Is the “True European Army” coming? – Macron, France and the future of European defence Jul 16, 2026 1535 European security is in a state of crisis that would have been hard to imagine when Emmanuel Macron took office as French President in 2017. What happens when a President whose term has been so dominated by the threat of Russia, the fate of NATO and fears for Europe’s independence comes to the end of his term? Fresh from the NATO summit, Macron turned his final Bastille Day into a statement of Eur
Inside the NATO conference – A breakdown from Ankara
Inside the NATO conference – A breakdown from Ankara Jul 10, 2026 1809 As member states gathered for the NATO conference in Ankara this week, leaders faced a series of questions over the future of the security alliance. As President Trump flew into Turkey criticising allies over spending commitments and their support in the Iran conflict, could they rely on the US commitment to NATO any longer?  And with Russia’s war on Ukraine ongoing, and the looming threat t
Expensive Lessons – What America vs Iran taught us about modern warfare
Expensive Lessons – What America vs Iran taught us about modern warfare Jul 2, 2026 2071 The United States’ war with Iran is a reminder that it’s easier to start a war than to end it. Many other lessons from the conflict are also being analysed right now, from how relatively low-cost weapons change the economics of war, to how even a far-away war can affect all of us in our daily lives. Dr Neda Bolourchi, Middle East historian and nonresident fellow with the Institute for Global Aff
Ukraine Strikes – Is Russia’s war machine faltering?
Ukraine Strikes – Is Russia’s war machine faltering? Jun 25, 2026 1981 Ukrainian drone swarms have hit targets in major Russian cities, while disrupting its military assets and vital oil supplies. Could this be a turning point in the war more than four years after Russia’s full-scale invasion began?  Gavin Esler is joined by John Lough, senior research fellow at the New Eurasia Strategies Centre and associate fellow in the Russia Eurasia programme at Chatham House.
Trump’s Iran deal — Does it reveal a US divide with Israel?
Trump’s Iran deal — Does it reveal a US divide with Israel? Jun 18, 2026 2088 News of the framework for a peace deal between Iran and the United States - if it holds - might be the beginning of the end of a conflict that has unsettled not just the Middle East and the world economy but also Washington’s relationships with its allies.  Even if President Trump claims some kind of victory in Iran - with stories about arguments and possible rifts between Trump and Israel’s Prim
Germany braces for war – Can rearmament secure Europe?
Germany braces for war – Can rearmament secure Europe? Jun 11, 2026 1741 Germany is rearming as the Russian threat looms over Europe and much of the continent’s security rests on its success. Backed by an emergency ‘Zeitenwende’ fund and an ever-expanding defence budget, Germany is undertaking a profound military transformation with the aim of becoming Europe’s strongest conventional army. What does this mean more broadly? And where do they need to focus? Jörg Lau, fo
Xi and Putin – What do they really want from each other?
Xi and Putin – What do they really want from each other? Jun 4, 2026 1429 Beyond the pomp and pageantry of Vladimir Putin’s Beijing summit with Xi Jinping, what do Russia and China need from each other? And how strong is their relationship? Plus, coming hot on the heels of Donald Trump’s own Beijing visit, what does it mean for the geopolitical balance in an era of great power competition? Gavin Esler joins Joseph Webster, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council and edit
Order vs. Chaos – Who is thriving in a world of crisis?
Order vs. Chaos – Who is thriving in a world of crisis? May 28, 2026 2117 In a new book, Surviving Chaos: Geopolitics When the Rules Fail, co-founder and director of the European Council on Foreign Relations Mark Leonard argues that we have entered an age of ‘un-order’ – when the rules and norms of the international order no longer hold sway. Can democratic leaders find a way to meet the challenges of an era of widening conflict, geopolitical competition and political
All guns blazing – How the arms trade went into overdrive
All guns blazing – How the arms trade went into overdrive May 21, 2026 1938 As drones and missiles darken the skies above conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East, is a transformation in modern warfare leading to a new arms race? And as technology and tactics evolve, which weapons and defence systems are being bought, and who is buying them?  Gavin Esler discusses the realities of the arms trade in 2026 with Pieter Wezeman, senior researcher in the Arms Transfers Program

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