
Craftcast: The Freemasons Podcast
Craftcast is the official podcast of the United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE). Hosts Shaun Butler, James Dalton, and Stephen Whatley discuss all things Freemasonry, from big questions to personal experiences. They interview special guests from across UGLE. The podcast is for both seasoned Freemasons and those curious about the organization. Listeners can engage via email or Twitter.
Episodes

S6 E2: Inside the Initiation
The Craftcast team is on the road once again, traveling to Blackpool to meet a man who first discovered Freemasonry through social media! In a unique first, we sat down with a Candidate twice: In the moments before his Initiation, as he shared his expectations and reasons for joining, and again immediately afterwards to hear his honest first impressions while the experience was still fresh in his

S6 E1: Royal Freemasonry Treasures Revealed
One of Craftcast’s most popular recurring episodes is back, and this time we're going Royal! Join us as the Museum of Freemasonry opens its vaults to showcase a fascinating selection of rarely seen treasures. This season's theme explores artefacts that once belonged to members of the Royal Family with connections to Freemasonry, including King William IV & Edward VIII, as well as a few others.

S5 E8: REVEALED: Inside a Masonic Lodge | Craftcast Season Finale
Welcome to the Series 5 Finale of Craftcast!We are ending with something truly special. Shaun, Stephen, and James are joined by Nando Caicedo, Master-Elect of Lodge No.10,000, for a rare conversation about what Freemasonry really feels like from the inside.What really happens inside a Freemason's Lodge?What do Freemasons actually gain from these meetings?And in a world where making genuine friends

S5 E7: Meet the Freemason Feeding Hundreds of Homeless
For the first time ever, Craftcast: The Freemasons Podcast goes on the road! This episode takes you from Freemasons' Hall to the Provincial Grand Lodge of Northamptonshire & Huntingdonshire, where we explore the remarkable work of the Three Pillars Charity.Our hosts sit down with Ged Dempsey, the Freemason who launched the Three Pillars, to uncover how a grassroots idea grew int

S5 E6: 5 Masonic Words EXPLAINED! (What Freemasons Really Mean)
This week we return to one of your absolute favourites — the Word Explainer Episode. Whether you're a Freemason, thinking about joining, or simply curious about what we do, this episode is packed with clear breakdowns of some of the most frequently used Masonic terms.We are joined once again by Tom Golds, who helps us unravel the meaning, history, and symbolism behind five key Mason

S5 E5: I Applied to Be a Freemason Online — They Said Yes!
In this episode, Shaun, Stephen, and James welcome Gaz Taylor, a brand-new Freemason who joined the Craft in a very modern way - through an online application.Gaz shares how a visit to Rosslyn Chapel sparked his curiosity, how he went down the Freemasonry rabbit hole online, and why he decided to take the plunge and join Ashlar Lodge in Lincoln. From his military background to his passion for serv

S5 E4: Breaking the Stigma - Men’s Mental Health
This week, we explore the challenging subject of men's mental health.The episode explores how simple actions, such as actively listening to one another, can create an environment where people feel comfortable talking and may seek help before reaching a breaking point.It also reflects on how remembrance can serve as a catalyst for change, transforming grief into something constructive and hopeful.T

S5 E3: Explained: Esoteric Freemasonry
Craftcast welcomes special guest Dan O’Connell for a thought-provoking exploration of the symbolism and allegory at the heart of Freemasonry. From the famous phrase “a peculiar system of morality, veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols” to the layers of meaning within our Ceremonies and furniture, Dan takes us on a journey beyond the surface to discover the personal insights that Freem

S5 E2: REVEALED: Secrets from the Museum of Freemasonry!
The Craftcast team welcomes back Mark Dennis to explore newly acquired treasures from the Museum of Freemasonry.From Consecration Vessels to a striking Aztec warrior in Masonic regalia and so much more, Mark reveals how each artefact tells its own story about history and symbolism.This captivating conversation offers a rare look at some of Freemasonry’s treasures, including a few surprising royal

S5 E1: What does the Public Really Think About Freemasonry?
Shaun, James, and Stephen return for a brand-new season of Craftcast, bringing you more insight into the intriguing world of modern Freemasonry!In this episode, James takes to the streets to ask the public what they really think about Freemasonry. From curious questions to long-held misconceptions, the responses might surprise you!Back in the studio, the hosts discuss what they’ve heard and explor

S4 E14: Light Blues Communication Special Edition
In this landmark special episode of Craftcast, we take you inside the Grand Temple at Freemasons’ Hall for the very first-ever live recording of the podcast - held before an audience following the inaugural Light Blues Communication.This unique episode features insightful interviews with key figures in Freemasonry, including John Thompson, Tom Milner, and Tom Golds. Together, they explo

S4 E13: Brethren & Beer: Inside the Craft Beer Lodge
In the Series 4 finale of Craftcast: The Freemasons Podcast, our hosts sit down with Stanley Liu and Adam Camp from Horus Lodge - a Special Interest Lodge passionate about craft beer and community. Hear how a social media group formed during the COVID lockdown evolved into a thriving Lodge that welcomes members from around the world. We explore their decision to repurpose an old Lodge ra

S4 E12: Archcast Returns
In the second episode of Archcast, our journey into the Royal Arch continues as our hosts sit down with members of the Cambridgeshire Clarets – a vibrant and growing Club designed to support new Royal Arch Masons in Cambridgeshire. Together, they explore the rich symbolism that defines the Royal Arch, its profound and unique connection to Craft Freemasonry, and the pivotal role the Clare

S4 E11: VE Day Reflections: Freemasonry, Courage and Brotherhood in WWII
On this VE Day, we remember not just victory but valour.In this special episode of Craftcast, our hosts delve into the incredible stories of Freemasons who endured, resisted, and rebuilt in the darkest days of the Second World War.From the makeshift lodges of a Changi POW camp to the quiet heroism of those who met in secret and served in silence, Mark Dennis of the Museum of Freemasonry joins us t

S4 E10: The Rose Croix Revealed: A Journey Beyond the Craft
In this fascinating instalment of Craftcast, Shaun, James, and Stephen are joined by John Boyington, the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council for England and Wales. Together, they delve into the rich history and evolving landscape of the Rose Croix – one of Freemasonry's most distinctive Companion Orders. From profound ritual and inclusive reform, this episode offers insight into

S4 E9: Custodians of Tradition: Life as a Worshipful Master
In this episode of Craftcast, Shaun, James, and Stephen dive deep into the experience of becoming a Worshipful Master, or Ruler, of a Lodge. From the anticipation and preparation leading up to the Chair to the challenges and responsibilities of the role, and finally the momentous "what now?" that follows, this episode offers personal insights, anecdotes, and reflections on one of Freemasonry'

S4 E8: Service and Community Engagement: Essex Freemasons in Action
In this inspiring episode of Craftcast, our hosts sit down with David Barton, Press Officer for the Province of Essex, to explore the Third Pillar of UGLE’s Strategy: Community Engagement.From organising Easter egg donations and VE Day flag distributions to spearheading Essex’s award-winning initiatives and founding the impactful ‘Get Started Art’ charity, David shares the powerful impact of servi

S4 E7: Freemasonry and Humanitarian Aid
In this episode, our hosts meet with Patrick and Alan to shine a light on Bristol Freemasonry and their inspiring community-driven response to the humanitarian crisis in Ukraine. Far from working behind closed doors, these local Freemasons have come together to raise funds, deliver aid, and rally support - demonstrating how grassroots action can make a meaningful global impact.They delve into

S4 E6: Hitting the Mark: Clive Jones’ Journey as a Blind Freemason and Archer
In this episode of Craftcast, our hosts sit down with Clive Jones – a dedicated Freemason, Chairman of Blind Veterans UK Archery Club, and the world’s No. 4 ranked blind archer. Clive shares his remarkable journey, from military service to life-changing challenges and his path into Freemasonry. They discuss the values that guide him, the support of his Masonic Brethren, and how he mastered ar

S4 E5: Word Explainer Returns
The fan-favourite Word Explainer episode is back! In this edition, Shaun, James, and Stephen are joined by returning guest Tom Golds to break down some of the most intriguing words in Freemasonry.They discuss a myriad of Masonic terms, including Operative and Speculative Masons, the Working Tools, Processions, and the central figure of Freemasonry: King Solomon the Wise.Got a Masonic term you’d li

S4 E4: Masonic Artefacts & Their Unheard Stories
In this episode of Craftcast, step into the past as our hosts explore the fascinating world of Masonic history with special guest Martin Cherry, Librarian at the Museum of Freemasonry. Shaun, Stephen, and James discover four extraordinary artefacts—ranging from a book published by Benjamin Franklin older than the USA to a hidden painting inside a book’s pages and even a Freemasons’ Minutes Bo

S4 E3: Freemasonry on Two Wheels
In this special episode of Craftcast, our hosts sat down with Peter Younger, Development Executive of the Widows Sons Masonic Bikers Association. The Widows Sons bring together two great passions—Freemasonry and motorcycling—forming one of the most recognisable Masonic Associations in the world. With Chapters across the world, their mission goes beyond just riding and wearing distinctive

S4 E2: Growth & Tradition
In our latest episode, Shaun, James, and Stephen are joined by Tom Golds, the Membership Manager for the United Grand Lodge of England and Supreme Grand Chapter.They discuss everything from mentoring and membership development to the significance of finding the right Lodge and how Freemasonry continues to evolve while maintaining its history and traditions.They also discuss the upcoming Light

S4 E1: Jack the Ripper: Debunking the Masonic Connection
Craftcast is back for Season 4, and our hosts are kicking things off with a deep dive into one of the most infamous murder cases in history—Jack the Ripper. Did the Freemasons try to orchestrate a cover-up? Were Freemasons helping or hindering the investigation? And does modern forensic science finally reveal the identity of the killer?Tune in as retired Scotland Yard Detective Chief Inspecto

S3 E12: Christmas with Craftcast
In this festive edition of Craftcast, Shaun, Stephen and James are joined by their most important guests - you! Today's episode is dedicated to all our listeners, especially those who are alone during the holidays.Blending light-hearted jokes with meaningful reflections, our hosts navigate the often-overlooked topic of loneliness during the Christmas season. Discover how Freemasonry and its c

S3 E11: Breaking the Stigma around Men's Health
In this deeply moving episode of Craftcast, our hosts sit down with Herefordshire Freemason Stuart Jones.Stuart recounts his life-changing journey, which began while listening to our Season 2 episode featuring Frank Tiller. Inspired to take action, Stuart scheduled a PSa test, which led to the early detection of his aggressive prostate cancer. Thanks to a successful operation and encouraging post-

S3 E10: Neurodiversity in Freemasonry
In this thought-provoking episode, our hosts are joined by Graham Chisnell, Provincial Grand Mentor for East Kent.Together, they explore how shifting perspectives and greater awareness are paving the way for neurodiverse Freemasons to enjoy their Masonic journey fully.Discover how adapting mentoring and applying innovative approaches to learning our ritual can break down barriers, create inclusive

S3 E9: Simon Medland, 2025 Prestonian Lecturer
In the latest episode of Craftcast, James, Shaun, and Stephen are joined by a special guest - Judge Simon Medland KC, the Deputy Provincial Grand Master of Cheshire and the 2025 Prestonian Lecturer. Simon shares his journey within Freemasonry with our hosts, tracing his roots as a fourth-generation Freemason and recounting his appointment as the Lecturer for the upcoming year.Join us for an i

S3 E8: Remembrance Special Part 4 - Kemsley Whittlesea
In this final instalment of our Remembrance Weekend series, we welcome Kemsley Whittlesea— Veteran, Freemason, tattoo artist, and mental health advocate—to share his remarkable story. From his time serving in the Royal Signals to participating in the upcoming Invictus Games, Kemsley's story is one of resilience, dedication, and service. Join us as we wrap up this special series, re

S3 E7: Remembrance Special Part 3 - Fisher House
In this third instalment of our four-part Remembrance Special, our hosts travelled to the Province of Warwickshire to visit Fisher House, a respite care centre supporting UK military personnel and their families worldwide. Fisher House offers an invaluable "home away from home" for the families of UK armed forces personnel receiving treatment at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham. The

S3 E6: Remembrance Special Part 2 – Mark Ormrod
In this raw and honest episode, Mark Ormrod MBE, Freemason and Veteran, talks to our hosts about his experiences serving as a Royal Marine in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mark was the first British serviceman to survive a triple amputation in Afghanistan. Since then, he's won 11 medals in two Invictus Games, carried the torch at the 2012 Olympics, raised thousands of pounds for charity and been an a

S3 E5: Remembrance Special Part 1 – John Thompson
In the first of our four-part series, John Thompson, Provincial Grand Master and Grand Superintendent of Durham, joins our hosts to discuss the significance of the United Grand Lodge of England’s signing of the Armed Forces Covenant. He sheds light on the next steps we can take to enhance our support for the Armed Forces and their families. By reinforcing our commitment to the Covenant,

S3 E4: Words Explainer
In this special episode, hosts Shaun, Stephen, and James return to demystify even more Masonic terminology, exploring the unique language and traditions that define Freemasonry. Building on previous seasons’ explainer episodes, they dig into regularly used terms, including their historical and ritual significance within the Lodge. They also touch on the importance of ceremonial practice

S3 E3: Light Blues and Brotherhood: Inside the Essex Cornerstone Club
In this episode of Craftcast, our hosts sit down with Barry and PJ from the Essex Cornerstone Club, a dynamic group dedicated to bringing young Freemasons in Essex together. Together, they dive into how Light Blues Clubs such as theirs foster a sense of community, support new members, and enhance our member's experience through creative events! Whether you're curious about young Freemaso

S3 E2: From Lock, Stock to Lodge – A conversation with Vas Blackwood
In this exciting episode, our hosts sat down with British actor and Freemason Vas Blackwood, best known for his iconic roles in Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Only Fools and Horses. Vas shares fascinating insights into his 25-year journey in Freemasonry, discussing its impact on his personal life. He also delves deep into his 40-year acting career, including his iconic

S3 E1: Behind the Myths
Welcome back to Craftcast Season 3! Shaun, Stephen, and James bring their unique perspectives to this season, starting with a deep dive into the biggest and oldest misconceptions about Freemasonry, from inclusivity to women in the fraternity. Learn more about the persecution faced by Freemasons during WWII, and discover how today's Freemasonry champions openness and inclusion! Wheth

Craftcast: Paralympics Special Edition
In this special edition episode, our hosts meet with Benjamin Pritchard, Paralympian and Freemason. A former cyclist and triathlete, Ben became paralysed from the waist down after a cycling crash in September 2016. He first took up indoor rowing during rehab and was soon noticed by British Rowing staff, joining the para development squad in 2017.He came fifth at the Tokyo Paralympic Games and

S2 E12: Season Finale with the Pro Grand Master
In this very special season finale of Craftcast, recorded just after the March Quarterly Communication of Grand Lodge, our hosts are joined once more by the Pro Grand Master, Jonathan Spence. Jonathan shares an update on the Strategy for Freemasonry: 2022 and Beyond, from initial reception to implementation across the organisation. Discover how the pillars of this Strategy—Thriving Membership

S2 E11: Archcast
Get ready for a fascinating journey into the exciting world of the Royal Arch featuring our special guest, Elliot Chevin.From personal anecdotes to the deeper meanings behind Masonic traditions, Elliot discusses the significance of the Royal Arch, its deep connection to the Craft, and the importance of companionship!Discover more about Archway, an invaluable resource for Chapters to grow and thriv

S2 E10: Meet the Grand Secretary
What do you really know about the role of the Grand Secretary?In this special episode of Craftcast, our hosts meet with Adrian Marsh, the current Grand Secretary of the United Grand Lodge of England and Grand Scribe E of Supreme Grand Chapter. This discussion offers a unique glimpse into the structure of Grand Lodge and how UGLE is paving the way for its members' vibrant and thriving future.Adrian

S2 E9: Crafting Connections: The Universities Scheme Conference
Join us on the road as the hosts of Craftcast travel to the Province of Berkshire for the 2024 Universities Scheme Conference! Recorded on location at Sindlesham Masonic Hall during the conference, Shaun, Stephen, and James explain what makes a University Lodge unique while still remaining a traditional Freemasons Lodge. Join them as they chat with some of the attendees and reflect on th

S2 E8: Masonic Words: Explained
In our latest episode, Shaun, James, and Stephen discuss various terminology common in Freemasonry.Building on the foundation established in the season one episode ‘The one where they explain’, our hosts delve into the colloquialisms of Freemasonry, starting with Masonic abbreviations, and discussing terms like Volume of Sacred Law, Light Blue, Ashlar, The Chair, to name but a few.Join us for a un

S2 E7: Celebrating 20 Years of Metropolitan Grand Lodge of London
In this episode of Craftcast, we're thrilled to mark a significant milestone: the 20th anniversary of Metropolitan Grand Lodge of London. Join us as we delve into the rich history of MetGL, exploring its unique characteristics and unravelling the complexities of its administration with our distinguished guests: Sir Michael Snyder, Metropolitan Grand Master; Warren Duke, Deputy Metro

S2 E6: Walking the Path of Mental Health: A Freemason’s Journey
In this poignant episode, our hosts delve into a heartfelt conversation with Chris Jones, a Lincolnshire Freemason on a mission. Embarking on a remarkable journey around the coast of Britain, Chris shares his motivations and experiences as he walks to raise funds for the Masonic Charitable Foundation. But beyond the miles travelled and funds raised, Chris opens up about a topic often shrouded

S2 E5: The Members’ Pathway, a year later
In this informative episode, our hosts sit down with Chris Hirst nearly a year after his first appearance on the Season 1 episode 'The one about the Members' Pathway. They revisit the importance of the Members' Pathway in the context of the UGLE 7-Year Strategy and discuss its integral role in shaping the future of Freemasonry. Chris provides insights into the four critical areas of the Members'

S2 E4: New Year, New Commitments
Join the Craftcast hosts in their first virtual recording as they discuss their Masonic New Year's resolutions! In this exciting episode, James commits to a deeper exploration of the Royal Arch, Stephen shares his dedication to prioritising Masonic activities and creating a support network for university students interested in Freemasonry, while Shaun aims to expand his Masonic horizons by vi

S2 E3: May the Craftcast be with you: An Interview with the Sci Fi and Fantasy Lodge
Craftcast fans, assemble!Get ready for an out-of-this-world episode as our hosts sit down with David Leask, Secretary of the Sci-Fi and Fantasy Lodge. Discover how this unique group combines the ancient traditions of Freemasonry with their love for all things sci-fi and fantasy. From lively discussions about favourite characters to the not-so-great jokes that will have you laughing, this epis

S2 E2: Men’s Health: Frank’s Story
Join us for an emotional and heart-warming episode of Craftcast, where our hosts sit down with Frank Tiller, a London Freemason and prostate cancer survivor, on the occasion of International Men's Day. Frank takes us on a journey from his initial diagnosis to his recovery, and shares how he channelled his ordeal into an initiative to educate others about prostate cancer awareness. Workin

S2 E1: We're back
Welcome back to another exciting season of Craftcast, the official podcast of the United Grand Lodge of England!This introduction episode sees our hosts, Shaun, James, and Stephen, back in their newly-renovated studio as they discuss their plans for another series of informative and entertaining episodes. This season promises a deeper exploration of Freemasonry within the English Constitutio

S1 E16: Season Finale
In this special finale episode, our hosts take a nostalgic trip down memory lane, reliving their most cherished moments, heartwarming memories, and side-splitting laughs that made this season truly one for the books! As they bid farewell to this chapter, they turn towards the future, sharing exciting plans, ambitious ideas, and fresh inspiration for what lies ahead for Craftcast. The journey

S1 E15: The one about the Brothers in Alms Exhibition
In this fascinating episode, our hosts are joined by Brian Deutsch, the curator of the ‘Brothers in Alms’ exhibition at Freemasons’ Hall. This innovative exhibition features a diverse range of photographs from the period spanning the Second Boer War to the end of the Second World War. Brian sheds light on the profound impact of war on the psychology of those who served and survived. Toge

S1: E14: The one about Solomon
In this episode of Craftcast, our hosts interview Anthony Howlett-Bolton and Omaid Hiwaizi, members of the Learning and Development group at UGLE. The episode focuses on Solomon, a virtual learning platform for Freemasons and non-Freemasons alike. Anthony and Omaid discuss the origins of Solomon, its purpose as a central repository for credible information about Freemasonry, and its pla

S1: E13: The one about the Members’ Pathway
In this captivating episode of Craftcast, our hosts delve into the significance of the Members' Pathway and its pivotal role in accomplishing UGLE's Seven-Year Strategy.Join us for this enlightening conversation with Steven Varley, Ian Copestake, and Chris Hirst, members of the Members' Pathway team, revealing its profound impact on Lodge and Membership Development. Discover how this co

S1 E12: The one about visiting Lodges
In this light-hearted episode of Craftcast, our usual hosts are joined by guest host Mitch Bryan to discuss one of the cornerstones of a Freemason’s experience: visiting another Lodge. Visiting is an integral part of Freemasonry. It provides an opportunity for Freemasons to connect and exchange ideas, knowledge, and experiences. Our hosts dive into their experiences as visitors and discuss th

S1 E11: The one about Mental Health
In this episode, co-hosts Shaun, Stephen, and James sit down to discuss the very important but often overlooked topic of mental health. They share their experiences and discuss the societal expectations that often prevent men from seeking help.Our hosts explore the concerns that often accompany discussions about mental health and emphasise the importance of seeking professional help and provide re

S1 E10: The one with the Football Lodge
Join us as we discuss the role of Special Interest Lodges in this special episode of Craftcast!Our hosts and guests delve into the world of Special Interest Lodges and their importance to Freemasonry. Together, they discuss how lodges focused on specific interests such as Football can be a hook for new members to consider joining the fraternity.Through personal anecdotes and insights, they discuss

S1 E9: The one about the 1723 Constitutions
300 years ago, the 1723 Constitutions were penned. Revolutionary and ground breaking, they have provided the philosophical foundations of modern Freemasonry. In this episode, our hosts sit down with UGLE Head of Special Projects Dr Tim Myatt, and delve into the rich history of this Enlightenment Era document. Join us as they explore how the 1723 Constitutions have shaped Freemasonry into what

S1 E7: The one with the female Grand Masters
For the first time in the history of UGLE, our hosts sit with the two Grand Masters of Women's Freemasonry in the UK in a joint interview.Together, our guests dive deeper into the values and principles that guide Women Freemasonry, and they explain how they work to support and empower the members of their organisations.Join us as our hosts ask them the big question: Do the Women Freemasons want to

S1 E6: The one about young Freemasons
This touching episode sees our hosts share their experiences as younger Freemasons. Together, they recall moments of unexpected levels of support and satisfaction they felt as members and touch on the impact that deep bonds of friendship can have on a young person.Listen in as they explain Freemasonry's unique dignity and brotherhood and its ability to transcend the usual divisions in society.

S1 E5: The one with a Provincial Grand Master
Across the United Grand Lodge of England are dozens of Provinces and Districts. Each of these is led by a Provincial or District Grand Master. In this episode James, Stephen and Shaun sit down with RW Bro Ian Chandler, the Provincial Grand Master for Surrey. We explore his journey in Freemasonry and ask “how do you become a PGM?”. Ian talks to us about the responsibility of leading a Province

S1 E4: The one where they explain...
In this episode - Stephen, James and Shaun discuss some of the different terminology used by Freemasons. What is a Lodge? Who is the Worshipful Master? Is a Festive Board something related to Christmas? We explore some of Freemasonry's most commonly used words and phrases to unpack the meaning behind the language we use.Get in touch with us by emailing podcasts@ugle.org.uk or on Twitter

S1 E3: The one about Social Media
Welcome back to Craftcast: The Freemasons Podcast. In this episode Shaun, James and Stephen sit down with Bro Shay Aziz, UGLE’s Social Media Executive. We explore the ways that social media has changed the public perception of Freemasonry and how it helps bring together people from across the world: Freemasons or otherwise. The team learn about the best guidelines for interacting online with all t

S1 E2: The one with the Pro Grand Master
Welcome back to Craftcast: The Freemasons Podcast. In this extra special episode, James, Shaun and Stephen sit down with the new Pro Grand Master Jonathan Spence to delve into his Masonic journey and explore his vision for the future of Freemasonry. How did he become a Freemason? How do you even become a ruler? How does Freemasonry need to evolve and where does his seven year plan come i

S1 E1: The one where they decide the name
Welcome to the official podcast of the United Grand Lodge of England. In this introductory episode we’re sifting through the mountain of amazing name suggestions sent in by Freemasons across UGLE.What name will we choose? Did your suggestion get an honourable mention?Hosts Shaun, Stephen and James sit down to reflect on the good, the bad and the UGLE suggestions sent in from members and finally l
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